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The original was posted on /r/ufos by /u/WarbringerNA on 2024-10-20 04:28:59+00:00.
These events have been a topic of discussion as of late and although it is popping up more in the media I find the discussion there to be severely lacking. I wanted to start a thread to organize my thoughts for one, open it up for discussion, to show that they are indeed UFOs (by the technical meaning of the phrase), highlight that the idea that they are commercial is beyond silly, and that even the only other possibly viable idea of a nation-state’s actions doesn’t make much sense either.
These objects that have been called “drones” or “drone swarms” are technically UFOs (not necessarily extraterrestrials, not necessarily aliens, not necessarily stereotypical flying saucers) as Pentagon spokespersons have testified before Congress that they indeed don’t know what they are (sources below).
The testimony before Congress, the high altitude, and the intentional visibility of these drones suggesting they may be Non-Human Intelligence (NHI) craft—is an intriguing perspective. Let’s break down why some of the factors mentioned push the argument toward NHI rather than a nation-state actor:
- **Testimony of Uncertainty**: Pentagon officials have repeatedly testified before Congress, admitting that they do not know what these objects are or how to deal with them. This is significant because, in most other cases of aerial incursions by foreign entities, the U.S. military typically has a clear idea of the origin and intent of the craft involved. The admission of “unknown” aerial phenomena, especially when it occurs over restricted military bases like Langley, is rare and highlights an unusual lack of clarity.
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- **High-Altitude Flight**: While many advanced drones (including military drones) can fly at high altitudes, these incursions involve sustained flights at levels that push the boundaries of known drone technology, especially if they are not designed to remain covert. This ability to hover over sensitive sites at high altitudes with little fear of interception or retaliation adds to the mystery and suggests advanced capabilities beyond typical drones from a nation-state.
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- **Intentional Visibility**: The drones’ highly visible behavior, including flashing lights, is indeed counterintuitive if these were covert surveillance operations from a foreign adversary. The intentionality behind making themselves seen could be interpreted as sending a message. If these objects were from a nation-state, their overt visibility would make them easier to identify, and that kind of visibility undermines the strategic advantage of espionage.
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- **Nation-State Disadvantages**: From a strategic standpoint, a nation-state would gain little from such overt actions, especially over high-profile military installations. Such behavior would risk open conflict without any clear intelligence or tactical advantage. It would also expose the actor to retaliation or sanctions once identified, making this a high-risk, low-reward strategy.
- **NHI Possibility**: When taking all of this together—the testimony, the technological sophistication, the seeming disregard for secrecy, and the strategic illogic from a nation-state perspective—it opens the door to speculation about NHI or other non-terrestrial sources. The U.S. military has started to address the possibility of UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) in a more formalized way, acknowledging that there are aerial objects for which we have no current explanation.
While there’s no direct proof of NHI involvement, the factors emphasized here do lend themselves to interpretations beyond conventional explanations. The fact that the U.S. military is unsure how to handle or classify these incursions adds weight to the possibility that these might be something outside of known human technology. Ultimately, this remains an open question and one that SHOULD continue to provoke both scientific inquiry and public debate.