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As long as I’d worked the UAP issue, I’d heard stories of a powerful circle of religious fundamentalists who shaped policy within the Department of Defense. They were referred to as the Collins Elite. I’d heard the name bandied about, but honestly, I never gave their existence much credence. It was like hearing stories about the long-reaching power of the Illuminati. A secret religious society? In the Pentagon? It sounded absurd. Wasn’t the day-to-day bureaucracy and existence of the Legacy Program bad enough? To entertain the notion that some generals and their staff of zealots actively promoted a religious agenda, which drove policy, inside of a sacred yet secular national security institution was simply a bridge too far. Yet I learned that the Collins Elite were indeed real. But who were they and what was their agenda?

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In my two previous posts I’ve detailed the genesis of the CIA’s Nuclear Energy Group and several of the players involved. The group was composed of members of Manhattan Project Foreign Intelligence Section and the X-2 and SI units of the OSS, and was organized at the urging of the Joint Research and Development Board headed by Vannevar Bush.

In 1949, the Nuclear Energy Division was moved out of the Office of Special Operations, the predecessor to Richard Bissell’s Deputy Directorate for Plans, and into the newly established Office of Scientific Intelligence.

OSI was housed in the Deputy Directorate for Intelligence from 1952 until 1963, when it was transferred into the new Deputy Directorate for Science & Technology. More info on DS&T’s interest in the UFO phenomenon can be found here:

Edwin Land and James Killian, former president of MIT, “were the prime movers in establishing first the Directorate of Research and then the Directorate of Science and Technology”, according to Jefferey Richelson. The Deputy Directorate for Research (DDR, later renamed DS&T) was created in 1962 with longtime OSI director Herbert Scoville at the helm. Scoville and his deputy, USAF Colonel Edward Giller, formed the Office of Research & Development. Giller would serve as ORD’s first director.

Interestingly, Giller later took on the role of USAF coordinator for the Condon Committee. In the early 1950s, he was executive, Weapons Effects Division, and chief, Radar Branch, Armed Forces Special Weapons Project (see part 1 to understand why this is pertinent).

Declassified documents show that Scoville had an interest in UFOs. The following is an excerpt from The CIA UFO Papers by Dan Wright:

On January 9, OSI Assistant Director Herbert Scoville Jr. wrote a Memorandum for the Record, updating responsibilities related to anomalous aerial phenomena.

“Henceforth, ASD (Applied Science Division) will conduct all surveillance of available information on this subject. All other OSI Divisions will provide such technical consultative assistance to ASD as it requires to discharge its assigned responsibility in this field. ASD will request a project of the requisite scope when appropriate for inclusion in the OSI Production Program.”

Relatedly, the ASD was charged with maintaining all files on the subject. Other divisions were instructed to forward their relevant files to ASD and terminate their filing activities.

This document superseded a similar June 14, 1954, Memorandum for the Record (see pages 76–77).4 In a February 9, 1956, Memorandum for the Record, Wilton Lexow, ASD Chief, referenced a statement for the record a month earlier by AD/SI Scoville titled “Responsibility for ‘Unidentified Flying Objects.’”5

Scoville’s memo had asserted three basic points:

(1) The June 1954 memorandum assigning responsibility for tracking aerial anomalies to OSI’s Physics and Electronics (P&E) Division was rescinded. 

(2) ASD was tasked with conducting “all surveillance of available information on this subject,” with consultative assistance by other divisions as necessary.

(3) Every file on the subject, old or new, was to be kept at ASD. To those ends, Lexow established several procedures:  

-ASD would maintain incoming raw reports potentially bearing on foreign weaponry research or development.

-Where such reports might involve advancements in basic science, ASD would share the information with the Fundamental Sciences Area for review, requesting its return for filing.

-Reports not bearing on foreign weaponry but which might involve science advances would be forwarded to the Fundamental Sciences Area for retention or destruction. 

-Reports which fit none of the above would be destroyed. ASD would maintain a chronological file of “all OSI correspondence and action taken in connection with the United States U.F.O. program . . .” 

-ASD would maintain completed UFO-related intelligence reports published by the intelligence community.

In 1959, the Biology Branch of the Fundamental Sciences Division was transferred into OSI’s Life Sciences Division. According to Richelson:

Part of ORD’s initial charter was to assume TSD’s main research functions, including in behavioral science, leaving that organization to handle the operational support and related R&D functions that Helms believed must remain in Plans. Thus, ORD took over part of the MKULTRA program. Dr. Stephen Aldrich, a graduate of Amherst and Northwestern Medical School who had served in the agency’s Office of Medical Services and OSI’s Life Sciences Division, assumed many of the responsibilities that had belonged to Sidney Gottlieb.

In 1955, Donald F Chamberlain joined OSI as chief of its Fundamental Sciences Area, then later took on the role of Chief, Nuclear Energy Division. When Bud Wheelon became head of DDR after Scoville’s departure, Chamberlain stepped in as OSI’s Director in 1963.

In 1973, Chamberlain became Inspector General of the CIA. In 1975, he was tasked with reviewing IG surveys of DS&T’s Office of Technical Services for information regarding MKULTRA.

In the Search for the Manchurian Candidate, John Marks writes:

The men from ORD tried to create their own latter-day version of the Society for the Investigation of Human Ecology. Located outside Boston, it was called the Scientific Engineering Institute, and Agency officials had set it up originally in 1956 as a proprietary company to do research on radar and other technical matters that had nothing to do with human behavior. Its president, who says he was a “figurehead,” was Dr. Edwin Land, the founder of Polaroid. In the early 1960s, ORD officials decided to bring it into the behavioral field and built a new wing to the Institute’s modernistic building for the “life sciences.” They hired a group of behavioral and medical scientists who were allowed to carry on their own independent research as long as it met Institute standards. These scientists were available to consult with frequent visitors from Washington, and they were encouraged to take long lunches in the Institute’s dining room where they mixed with the physical scientists and brainstormed about virtually everything. One veteran recalls a colleague joking, “If you could find the natural radio frequency of a person’s sphincter, you could make him run out of the room real fast.” Turning serious, the veteran states the technique was “plausible,” and he notes that many of the crazy ideas bandied about at lunch developed into concrete projects.

Some of these projects may have been worked on at the Institute’s own several hundred-acre farm located in the Massachusetts countryside. But of the several dozen people contacted in an effort to find out what the Institute did, the most anyone would say about experiments at the farm was that one involved stimulating the pleasure centers of crows’ brains in order to control their behavior. Presumably, ORD men did other things at their isolated rural lab.

Just as the MKULTRA program had been years ahead of the scientific community, ORD activities were similarly advanced. “We looked at the manipulation of genes,” states one of the researchers. "We were interested in gene splintering. The rest of the world didn’t ask until 1976 the type of questions we were facing in 1965. … Everybody was afraid of building the supersoldier who would take orders without questioning, like the kamikaze pilot. Creating a subservient society was not out of sight." Another Institute man describes the work of a colleague who bombarded bacteria with ultraviolet radiation in order to create deviant strains. ORD also sponsored work in parapsychology. Along with the military services, Agency officials wanted to know whether psychics could read minds or control them from afar (telepathy), if they could gain information about distant places or people (clairvoyance or remote viewing), if they could predict the future (precognition), or influence …


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