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Timeline info
38 years ago: Whitebeard and Roger fight at god valley. Whitebeard has no scar, shanks is stolen from God Valley.
26 years ago: Whitebeard and Roger fight each other for three days. Shanks and Blackbeard also fight. After this fight neither Whitebeard nor Shanks have their scars.
25 years ago: The Roger pirates find the road poneglyph at fishman island. Sitting next to the letter from Joyboy in the sea forest.
24 years ago: Roger tells Whitebeard about the Will of D before he is executed. In the anime Whitebeard has his scar but in the manga he actually covers his chest with a sake cup, his scar is big enough the cup wouldn’t cover it.
Shanks watches Roger’s execution, he does not have a scar. He refuses to go to laughtale with Buggy.
22 years ago: Shanks first attempts recruit yassop. His face is purposefully hidden, we do not know if he is scared or not. Yassop eventually agrees and leaves with him.
13 years ago: Shanks first meets Luffy. Shanks has his scar at this point.
2 years ago: We see Whitebeard with his scar. He explicitly mentions that seeing Shank’s face reminds him of the man who gave them that scar.
0 years ago: Robin sees that the road poneglyph is missing from fishman island.
Rumors abound that a ‘man with a burn scar’ with a black ship is carrying this poneglyph around the seas. Shiryu says he thinks this man works for the world government.
As you see we have a 10 year gap of time when shanks could have gotten his scar and a 20 year gap when white beard could have gotten his. However three popular misconceptions (Roger scarred whitebeard, Blackbeard scarred shanks when Shanks was a member of the Roger pirates, and Garling scarred Whitebeard at god valley) can all be pretty safely ignored given this timeline.
We also know that Shanks returned to Marijoa for some amount of time. This one I feel is easier to pinpoint. You see I don’t think shanks was ever a celestial after recruiting Yassop, and playing pirate, or when he was with Roger’s crew. This narrows the gap of time Shanks lived in Marijoa to be between 22 and 24 years ago.
Additionally shank’s sword, Gryphon, was most likely given to him by his father. It’s basically identical to Shamrocks and Garling’s swords meaning they should have a shared origin. This also lines up with Shamrock’s sword Cerberus, being named after a different mythical creature from Greek mythology.
We don’t see shanks with Gryphon until 13 years ago when he meets with Luffy. If we assume he got his sword from his father, shanks got it between 24 and 13 years ago.
Who gave Whitebeard his scar:
Given we know it wasn’t shanks, but someone that Shank’s face reminds Whitebeard of - the most obvious answers are Roger, Garling, or Shamrock. Shamrock especially makes sense because he literally has Shank’s face. We now know it wasn’t Roger as Whitebeard is lacking a scar until after Roger’s death. So that leaves shanks family members.
Because of the point of the timeline I’m proposing this fight happened (23 years ago) I’m going to guess it was Garling who scarred him. Because Shamrock and Shanks were only 15 at the time, and Whitebeard was in his prime.
Why did a Figarland Scar Whitebeard
The only road poneglyph the world government had access to was the one in fishman island. If they wanted to disrupt the discovery of laugh tale by future generations that was their one out.
FMI was Whitebeard’s territory and Whitebeard knew the importance of the road Poneglyph so he defended it, but the Whitebeard pirates were outmatched by the overwhelming power of the gods knights.
Who is the man marked by flames
We also know Shanks was not born in the holy land, instead he was born in the west blue. We also seemingly see the gorosie mention to shamrock that he traveled a distance from wherever he was to Marijoa. I believe this is substantial evidence that the God’s knights do not just camp out in Marijoa but actively patrol the seas doing dirty work for the world government.
The ‘man marked by flames’ is a gods knight member who has a black ship and makes whirlpools, after Garling stole the road poneglyph he hired a holy knight member to patrol the seas protecting it. I think Shamrock seems like a possible candidate- but it may just be another God’s Knight we don’t know of yet.
Importantly very few one piece characters are mysterious enough to function as TMMBF, they can’t be famous enough to be a household name (Dragon for example) , they have to have worked for the world government at one point (so characters like Gaban don’t work), they have to wander the seas in a black ship (reason why Saul seems unreasonable) and have a reason to know the where, what and why about the poneglyph.