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The original was posted on /r/collapse by /u/Inside_Ad2602 on 2025-05-03 12:50:15+00:00.


So, I just found this:

Just Collapse

Just Collapse is an activist platform dedicated to socio-ecological justice in unfolding, irreversible global collapse.

Just Collapse advocates for a Just Collapse and Planned Collapse to avert the worst outcomes that will follow an otherwise unplanned, reactive collapse.

Just Collapse recognises the impossibility of a globally planned collapse, or degrowth, and instead advocates for localised social and ecological justice.

Personally I consider collapse to be a process rather than an event, and I contrast collapse and degrowth as opposite ends of a scale describing the nature of the inevitable contraction of the human operation on Earth. That contraction is coming whether we like it or not. “Degrowth” already means “planned and just contraction” – it is a conscious attempt to manage the contraction in order to minimise the chaos and maximise justice. “Collapse” is what happens when degrowth fails (or isn’t attempted) – it is chaotic, unmanageable and inherently unjust – there can be no way to make if fair.

This website acknowledges that global justice can’t be made fair, but then claims that somehow it can be made fair at much smaller levels…and yet there is no mention of sovereign states or nations.

I don’t understand. To me, this just looks like somebody trying to have their collapse cake and eat it too. I can’t see how “just collapse” is any different to “degrowth” – this looks like the work of somebody who has somehow recognised that degrowth won’t fly, but is trying to re-invent it with a new name. Can you even have “planned collapse”? What does that mean, apart from “abandonment”?

Have I missed something?