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The original was posted on /r/homeassistant by /u/Overall-Box-4643 on 2025-07-19 16:25:02+00:00.

So this is driving me crazy. I’m trying to create automations in HA 2025.7.2 and they’re doing weird stuff:

• Some save but completely vanish from the automation list (but I can see them triggering in device logs??)
• Others give me “New automation setup failed - timeout” even though config check passes
• A few just show as “unavailable” for no reason

I’ve triple-checked everything - all entities exist, helpers are set up correctly, YAML looks fine. Some automations work perfectly fine when I create them, but others just randomly fail and go into this limbo state. It seems completely random which ones work and which don’t.

The really weird part is when they “disappear” - they’re not showing up in Settings > Automations, but I can clearly see them firing in the device logs. So they exist somewhere in the system but the UI can’t find them? Where?

I’ve tried restarting multiple times, checked Developer Tools (config validation passes), verified all my entities are available. Nothing seems to fix it.

Found this thread describing a very similar issue, though that was on a different version.

Anyone else running into this? Is this a known bug in recent versions or am I missing something obvious? Where the hell do these phantom automations even get stored?

Getting really frustrated here…